Seven Minutes

**travelinman** · June 28th, 2004, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Pi?a:
See what I mean. Trav and Gae can't defend the idiot in office so they try to distract and attack others.

Frankly, I don't give a damn abbout speculation about what other's have done in the past. I care that we have actually seen our "leader" fold in the face of crisis.

Go play distraction games in some other thread if you can't deal with his shutting down under stress.

Of course you don't. Comparing a Bush to all those lying liberal ass holes just might be a problem for you.

**Piña** · June 28th, 2004, 06:06 PM

Trav

Again, don't care about distraction arguments.

If you can defend the coward in the oval then do so. Otherwise it's just more of the same hot air from you.

(Quick Poll: How many thing trav will try and stay on subject and how many think he'll fall back on his usual bs? Hands please.)

**gae** · June 28th, 2004, 06:21 PM

Tomas,

Please answer my questions.

**Piña** · June 28th, 2004, 07:05 PM

Okey Doke

Originally posted by gae:
Pina,
Just curious. How long did it take FDR to react to Pearl Harbor? I know I could look it up, but you do such good research.

Don?t know. Don?t care. If you want to talk about FDR go ahead. I?m talking about the deserter in chief.

The statement "The country is under attack" is interesting and more than a bit ambigious. Source, please?

Hardly ambiguous. How many ways can you interpret it in light of the fact that people are flying planes into the WTC? Are you suggesting that bush doesn?t have the faculties to put one and one together?

But as for a source. I think probably the best would be from White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card himself as reported in the San Francisco Chronicle:

White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card
So I was very uncomfortable about interrupting the president during one of his events ... so I wanted to think, how can I convey to the president the situation? And I made a conscious decision to state the facts and to offer editorial comment. And the facts, as I knew them, were -- since he knew about the first plane, I said, "a second plane hit the second tower." Those were the facts. And the editorial comment was, "America is under attack."

(And if it's Michael Moore, your entire argument is moot.) And, what was Clinton told when the WTC was attacked the first time? Or when the Cole was attacked? Or the embassies overseas?

Again for purposes of this discussion I just don?t care.

Crying inside for mommy? Credible source, please.

Well since that?s my opinion, I would say me. It?s based upon his reactions to being told.

Other observations were:
Descriptions vary greatly as to how Bush responded to the news. It is said he "blanched" [Richmond Times-Dispatch, 10/1/02], "the color drained from the president's face" [AP, 9/12/01 (D)], he "wore a bemused smile" [Orlando Sentinel, 9/12/01], "because visibly tense and serious" [Time, 9/12/01], and so on.

From President Bush's Movements and Actions on 9/11 A very well documented analysis. Thanks for asking me to look it up!

20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing, don'tcha think? Since you're so good at it, you ought to go back a few years and wonder why Clinton didn't take OBL from the Sudan when offered.

An excellent topic for another thread. As far as this one is concerned I just don?t care.
(Note to Trav: When you go to quote this out of context leave off the ?As far as this one is concerned? part.)

**travelinman** · June 28th, 2004, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Pi?a:

(Quick Poll: How many thing trav will try and stay on subject and how many think he'll fall back on his usual bs? Hands please.)

Don't care, this is your bull shit thread and I dont' consider you worth the effort.

**Piña** · June 29th, 2004, 03:43 AM

Jumper

You sure don't expect much of the man who is supposed to be the best of the best. I for one, would kind of like someone who didn't freeze up in the face of disaster.

You know, someone with a spine.

**Piña** · June 29th, 2004, 03:49 AM

Reason

Yup, seven minutes after the second plane hit. Seven minutes after he was told that the country was under fucking attack.

Seven minutes of sitting on his deserter ass crying inside for mommy.

It's his fucking job to react, to get off his ass and do something like, oh I don't know, how about ACT LIKE A FUCKING PRESIDENT!

But not our boy. What we get is seven minutes of deer in the headlights indecision. No finding out more information, no realizing that he might be a target and was putting 300 school kids at immediate risk, no acting like a real commander in chief. No nothing.

**jumper69** · June 29th, 2004, 03:50 AM

Pina,

W? Best of the best? Hardly. But it is foolish to think that any HUMAN elected President is the best we have. I can think of one who might be best of the best but he won't run. McCain.

All I'm saying is that I do not consider it the mark of the man that he paused 7 minutes to contemplate a heretofore unprecedented attack on our home soil. To the contrary, had he had a knee jerk reaction and "loosed the hounds" so to speak I would have been more worried.

**Piña** · June 29th, 2004, 03:51 AM

Cincygreg

He didn't know that it was an attack on civilians. He was told "the country is under attack".

That's your hero for you.

**travelinman** · June 29th, 2004, 03:51 AM

Originally posted by Pi?a:
Reason

Yup, seven minutes after the second plane hit. Seven minutes after he was told that the country was under fucking attack.

Seven minutes of sitting on his deserter ass crying inside for mommy.

It's his fucking job to react, to get off his ass and do something like, oh I don't know, how about ACT LIKE A FUCKING PRESIDENT!

But not our boy. What we get is seven minutes of deer in the headlights indecision. No finding out more information, no realizing that he might be a target and was putting 300 school kids at immediate risk, no acting like a real commander in chief. No nothing.

At least he wasn't getting a blow job.

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